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Obama's America at the Debate: Immigrant Kids "Understand Themselves as Americans"

Posted: 10/17/2012 9:44 am

At last night's debate, President Obama said the following:

"For young people who come here, brought here oftentimes by their parents, have gone to school here, pledged allegiance to the flag, think of this as their country, understand themselves as Americans in every way except having papers, then we should make sure that we give them a pathway to citizenship, and that's what I've done administratively."

This remark, which refers to the Americans covered by the Obama administration's actions to provide work permits for young people brought here as children but without documentation, offers real insight into the president's inclusive approach to American national identity.

Where some on the right would see nothing more than an "illegal immigrant," Obama recognizes a young adult who has been in this country, for example, for twenty out of the twenty-five years of her life and who has gone through an irreversible process of Americanization. That person is nothing but an American in terms of her national identity. He understands what it would mean to that person to be expelled from the only homeland she has essentially ever known. President Obama understands how national identities are formed, both on the individual and the societal level. He understand how and why an American comes to feel an attachment to this country and to his fellow Americans.

The debate tonight was about many things, mostly about policy differences between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney. For me, as a scholar of national identity, that one small remark stood out as demonstrative of something far larger. Only one of these candidates has demonstrated, for years and years, a public record of understanding how national identity works, and thus how to invigorate the national identity that binds together the American people.

 
 
 

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At last night's debate, President Obama said the following: "For young people who come here, brought here oftentimes by their parents, have gone to school here, pledged allegiance to the flag, think...
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06:23 PM on 10/23/2012
WILLIIE SUTTON WOULD CONSIDER HIMSELF A 'WITHDRAWAL EXPERT' IF HE USED THE SAME REDICULOUS REASONING. THESE ILLEGALS ARE NOT USA CITIZENS, THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS AND NO MATTER HOW THEY TWIST THE WORDS, THEY ARE STILL ILLEGAL ALIENS.
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BiggpussJr
pissin em off one comment at a time.
04:44 PM on 10/18/2012
I thought that Americans consider themselves ......wait for it....AMERICANS.... he was talking about latinos who fly flags of Guatamala, Honduras, Mexico, El Salvador, and Panama. I have NEVER seen an illegal fly an American Flag. So Mr. President you are WRONG AGAIN.
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rhycochet
is an illiterate, right-wing technocrat.
08:18 PM on 10/18/2012
probably because you never knew how many AMERICANS flying those flags are actually illegal.

the president wasn't referring to those orange-peddlers you find on street islands and standing off the freeway ramp who can barely make out a sentence in english. but apparently, all illegal immigrants and their offspring should present themselves that such obvious ways, according to you.

why were the jews forced to wear stars of david again?
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spytheweb
09:58 PM on 10/19/2012
"A 2009 Pew Hispanic Center report found that over half of Latinos living in the U.S., between the ages of 16 and 25 identify their nationality by their family’s country of origin. 20 percent of those surveyed identified themselves simply as Hispanic or Latino, while less than 20 percent call themselves “American.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/is-this-pizza-chain-really-promoting-illegal-immigration
03:48 AM on 10/19/2012
Ya I can't stand all those immigrants flying their flags. Every time I see them lining the streets promoting their home countries, I wish they would just go back. And those damn parades and all that green beer! Bunch of drinkers.
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Karissa36
Saving lost boys and fighting pirates.
02:38 PM on 10/18/2012
So if I rob a bank, my kids can keep the money? How about if I bring them along? (I have at least one kid that would be a decent get-away driver. No license, but that's no big deal for illegals.) Does that make it all OK? This college fund planning can be brutal...
01:07 PM on 10/18/2012
If I "understand myself" to be a Martian, or from France, does that make it so? We have laws in this (and other) countries about who is and who ISN'T a citizen, not fairy tales and wishes.
10:04 AM on 10/18/2012
These kids might understand themselves to be American, but in fact they are foreign nationals illegally in this country and need to be deported.
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jweider
I know where my towel is
10:00 AM on 10/18/2012
"Americans in every way except having papers"

And we are all millionaires in every way except having money.
11:56 PM on 10/17/2012
So Ian, would you have no problem with repatriating the adults who smuggled these quasi-Americans into our nation against our will? Do you have any doubts as to the culpability of sentient adults who willingly circumvent border inspection points or stay past their visa expiration date?
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nasknit
Freedom isn't free.
11:34 PM on 10/17/2012
"Immigrant Kids "Understand Themselves as Americans" " REALLY? So, IF someone thinks they RULE the world, WE should "make it so"?
09:09 PM on 10/17/2012
Offering citizenship to unlawfully present children allows them to sponsor their unlawfully present parents. This creates an incentive for future and even more illegal entry and presence. It just perpetuates the problem but ironically is sold as a "solution". Notice how the emphasis by Democrat politicians is on getting them citizenship (so they can vote Democrat).

What you call an "inclusive approach to American national identity" can also be viewed as debasement of American citizenship and rule of law.
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iuriggs6
Sure thing. Shoot, Timmy.
01:11 PM on 10/17/2012
Thanks to the criminal activities of their parents these young people are receiving amnesty.
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07:35 PM on 10/17/2012
In our country we don't punish people for their parents crimes.
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iuriggs6
Sure thing. Shoot, Timmy.
08:05 AM on 10/18/2012
That's correct, we reward them instead.
11:08 AM on 10/18/2012
We also don't reward the parents for their crime.
James Greybush
The rules should be the same for everyone
12:56 PM on 10/17/2012
obama said these 30 year old 'children': "Understand Themselves as Americans".

I thought they were all scientists and doctors. Why can't they understand that NO, they are NOT Americans and never will be.

Americans take charge of their own lives, they don't beg for scraps at the dinner table. They dont break the law and blame someone else.

These people will never know what its like to be American.
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07:34 PM on 10/17/2012
They will be Americans on papers, too, and you can't stop it.
James Greybush
The rules should be the same for everyone
01:36 PM on 10/18/2012
i don't have to stop it. the legislation is fatally flawed anyway, thats why dream act hasn't passed in over a decade of trying.

It is too broad and covers too many people to ever get enough support.
06:44 PM on 10/23/2012
WELL SAID.
John P Miller
Historian, Truthseeker
12:37 PM on 10/17/2012
I agree with you that only President Obama has the real insight for these young people & their
future in America. Romney appeared to share this view at one time, but now would deport them
instead or in one of his classic ideas they would self deport.
11:55 AM on 10/17/2012
We all "understand" that they are lawbreakers and deserve to get sent back to the countries from whence they came.
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Ian Reifowitz
Author of Obama's America
01:01 PM on 10/17/2012
Let's be clear: someone is twenty-five years old, was brought here illegally as a five year old by their parents, has now graduated from college, has no criminal record, and has no memory of living anywhere but America, and speaks no language other than English. You would send that person "back" somewhere else? Obama's policy affected people like the one I described.
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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
01:25 PM on 10/17/2012
Unless and until the federal laws are changed, absolutely yes. A government where laws can be ignored at will is called anarchy.
02:37 PM on 10/17/2012
Mr. Reifowitz,

Respectfully. The propositions included in the DREAM Act are so wide open to manipulation and fraud that they cannot be taken seriously.

I live in a neighborhood that is 92% Latino according to the last census. The children of illegal immigrants, whether born here or not, certainly speak the language of their parents. Do you honestly believe that the moment the parents crossed the border they stopped speaking their mother tongue or that the children instantly became unable to communicate with their parents? Of course not. The claim that these "kids" don't know any other language is false.

Further, the transport of cultural norms is extremely strong within this community. Without making a value judgment I can tell you that fraud, cheating, lying and deception are quite common in this group and most of the time the individual does not even realize that those behaviors are wrong. Why should they? This is SOP in many of their home countries.

There is also a decided reverence of the homeland. The Mexican flag, for example, is flown in lieu of the US flag on most homes and businesses in my neighborhood. Believe it or not, I have actually had a schoolboy flip me off for hanging a US flag on Memorial Day.

If all of those seeking amnesty were outstanding people who were eager to assimilate we would not be having this discussion.
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
11:09 AM on 10/17/2012
Obama flat out ignores the fact that the illegal immigration door is still wide open. Until it is shut there can be no meaningful discussion about those here illegally nor can the issue be resolved.
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07:25 PM on 10/17/2012
False, the border is safer than ever, and net illegal immigration is close to zero.
11:07 AM on 10/17/2012
Unfortunately this is simply bait and switch tactics. The DREAM act mandate does NOT only refer to those who have been here most of their lives. A person who came here at age 16 is also elegible and there is no reality that a kid that old has no memory of their native country or thinks of themselves as American. The FACT is that most of these kids are NOT American at all, either legally or culturally since most of them speak their native language at home and even speak English poorly. Thus the problem of drop outs since they have a hard time learning English. THAT is the majority of the so called Dreamers. They are NOT all the valedictorians of their class, in FACT, they can get a GED in Spanish and French, so they do not even have to be fluent in English to meet the requirements of getting defered action.
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07:23 PM on 10/17/2012
Care to cite where did you get your statistics regarding your statements, like "most of them speak english poorly" or "That is the majority of the so called Dreamers".
08:33 PM on 10/17/2012
I guess you have not seen stats on the drop out rates for illegals, and forget that bilingual education has NOT produced students who are fluent in English. I live on the border and most folks speak Spanish on a day to day basis. American kids do speak English well, but illegals who have come here recently do not. You also forget that the GED does NOT require fluency in English at all. So according to the provisions, a "kid" of 16 can come here illegally, take the GED test in Spanish, enroll in some course and take TEN years to get a two year degree in Mexican American studies. THAT is NOT advancing our national interest which is the SOLE reason for immigration as the late liberal Barbara Jordan pointed out.